Gmail OAuth2 to 'send mail as' an Office365 account

[johnkellen]

MS Office 365 is disabling basic authentication any day now. Is it possible to configure OAuth2 authentication towards the O365 smtp servers so we can keep sending mail as an O365 address from our Gsuite account.. (an app token is not possible to use for our domain).

Thank you

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/clients-and-mobile-in-exchange-online/deprecation-of-basi...

[funkyblue]

As usual no response from Google. I want to be able to send emails via Microsoft 365, via my Google Workspace account. Why is there no solution or ever help from Google?

[KAM]

@funkyblue This is a forum of fellow Workspace admins.  A Google support ticket from admin.google.com would be better if you are looking for a response from Google.  What's the use case for sending email from Workspace through m365?  Some thoughts are to use a 3rd party product that can relay or look at using Thunderbird as your mail client with IMAP/SMTP.  -KAM

[funkyblue]

You have it backwards. I was using m365 in Google Workspace. I was able to use an organisation account to send and receive email.... I can forward email from m365 but can no longer send. Being able to use a single login for a work m365 account with Gmail account has been great the last few years, just change the sent address. I don't want any MS apps.

Have a read.... https://support.google.com/mail/thread/183592889/what-is-google-gmail-doing-to-handle-the-deprecatio...

[johnkellen]

Why use a mail client if you can use the fantastic gmail interface?
And why not send mail with a second mail account that happens to be O365?
Just like we still can with old and obsolete login type?

Just give us OAuth2 in that feature...

[funkyblue]

I get that. Google can't even answer the ticket properly and can't even grasp the issue....I am both a user and admin of a small non-profit 🙂

[ajojose33333344]

@funkyblue  are you adding your m365 email to your Gmail as send mail as I'd?

[funkyblue]

Yes....

[johnkellen]

So did I untill they block regular auth 😕

[KAM]

@johnkellen have you looked at the free, open source Mozilla Thunderbird client as a possible solution? -KAM

[funkyblue]

That is not a solution. I want to be able to use the Gmail Android app on multiple devices, PC and my iPad, like I have been doing for YEARS to send and receive email from my m365 account...Can't you see that Google should be fixing this issue?

[KAM]

@funkyblue did you open a ticket with your m365 support about the feature removed by Microsoft that has changed things?  -KAM

[KAM]

@funkyblue I would recommend you are asking Google about features for a major competitor and one which they are not experts in.  I'd recommend that you open a ticket with Microsoft 365 and tell them you need to continue to relay with Basic Auth.  Otherwise, full disclosure, I have a financial interest in this firm, use a 3rd party relay that can use DKIM for authentication such as https://raptoremailsecurity.com/ -KAM

[funkyblue]

Or Google can actually do it's job, improve security and implement OAuth2...

[KAM]

@funkyblue You are getting a world-class product donated by Google at no charge to your NPO yet you want to gripe that Microsoft is removing a feature that is breaking your use case?  At a minimum, document your use case and the feature idea request with Support.  They'll point you to a forum here where you can get votes on it and have Google Product Managers look at the ideas. -KAM

[johnkellen]

OAuth2 is not an MS ""issue", it is a standard. once there was only http, then https... Some browsers didn't support that from day-1, but we evolved. We did not submit a ticket...

[KAM]

@johnkellen You're story reminds me of an old joke about a guy who prayed every day to win the lottery. Finally one day after many years of praying, the clouds opened up, a ray of light shown down, and God spoke to the man, "meet me halfway and buy a lottery ticket."

Open a support ticket with Google, request feature idea access, post the feature idea, solicit up votes, and open a ticket with Microsoft asking that they turn basic auth back on.  That's my recommendation about how you meet them halfway.  -KAM

[johnkellen]

I spoke with Google workplace support.
It isn't there, it is suggested to dev.
We are now 8 months later.
Now you?

[funkyblue]

My response from today. They are clueless...I never mentioned pop3 and asked when they are going to impliment Oauth2.

Thank you for contacting Google Workspace Support. As you wanted to find an alternative option or some update from Google end since Microsoft has deprecated the option for pop3. 

 I am afraid that , unfortunately since Microsoft has removed deprecated POP3 from its end since Dec 2022 .Therefore we won't be able to assist in the configuration of the Microsoft account in the Gmail interface.

Sincerely,
Google Workspace Support

[funkyblue]

It's very clear you must own shares or something in Google. OAuth2 is not a Microsoft issue, it is a STANDARD. 

OAuth 2.0 is the industry-standard protocol for authorization. OAuth 2.0 focuses on client developer simplicity while providing specific authorization flows for web applications, desktop applications, mobile phones, and living room devices. This specification and its extensions are being developed within the IETF OAuth Working Group. - https://oauth.net/2/

[icrew]

You might want to post this to the Feature Ideas section here. Doing so will allow it to be upvoted by others and possibly considered as a future feature enhancement.

If you do not already have access, you need to request it first. See https://www.googlecloudcommunity.com/gc/custom/page/page-id/Workspace-Feature-Ideas-FAQ for how to do that.

Once you have access, go to https://www.googlecloudcommunity.com/gc/Feature-Ideas/gh-p/workspace-ideas-group . There, you can upvote and comment on any similar idea, or post a new idea.

If you are submitting a feature idea, be sure to explain the problem that you're trying to solve with the feature idea, not just the idea itself. For example, saying "when my users are trying to do 'A', they often get confused by the fact that the buttons to do 'X' and to do 'Y' look quite similar to each other, which leads to this unintended consequence" is far more likely to get fixed than a feature idea that just says "change the color of the button 'Y'".

Cheers,

Ian

[KAM]

I am sorry the service is not working for you.  I will submit a ticket for disconnect and a refund of three times your payment.  KAM

[funkyblue]

We do actually pay. We aren't on the basic plan. Just get a discount, so you are wrong again. Just like you can't see Google needs to implement Industry standards...

[nasorenga]

@KAM, your suggestion to open a support ticket with Google is helpful and a good idea. By contrast, many of your other replies are quite unhelpful.  I recommend that you try to resist your impulse to be sarcastic and snarky. - As regards the support ticket, I would like to help build pressure to support OAuth2 in gmail; where should I go to open a support ticket? Thanks.

[ajojose33333344]

https://apps.google.com/u/2/supportwidget/helphome

or

https://support.cloud.google.com/portal/cases

[nmella]

If it helps someone...

I added my Office365 email as a valid identity on Amazon SES (Simple Email Service). Enable SMTP inside Amazon SES, which will return Amazon SES SMTP credentials.

Then, on Gmail, setup the Sending email using Amazon SMTP credentials....ready...you can now send emails. 

Hope it helps. Regards. 🇨🇱

[nmella]

Email quality is not good though...checked emails quality at https://www.mail-tester.com/.

Poor score on DMARC verification 😢